Wonder Woman Sales: #14 Down 10 Spots And 3%, Should Really Tie Into “Death Of The Family” If It Wants To Sell Well


November was a bizarre month, even when you understand why.  The Bat-books’ “Death of the Family” crossover bumped up sales for several series, and made Suicide Squad #14 DC’s EIGHTH highest selling book.  New Marvel NOW! books continued to roll out, but with substantial second issue drops.  A My Little Pony book was in 15th place overall and sold 80,000 copies!!  Wonder Woman #14 kind of got lost in the general insanity.  In November 2012, Wonder Woman #14 was in 54th place on the charts with sales of 42,384, a drop of 3.1%.  Here are the numbers for the issue, and the five issues previous:


NOTE: The average sales total is based on all of the available sales data, which currently comprises every issue of the series since September 1996, for 187 issues in total.  The average rank isn’t given because rank is dependent on what other books came out that month, and that’s such a variable that an average really wouldn’t mean anything.

Wonder Woman dropping 10 spots isn’t a big deal at all, since things are bonkers right now.  Marvel premiered NINE new books in November, and several of them had second issues (with big drops… the second issue of All New X-Men was barely half what the first sold), so the top of the chart was extremely cluttered.  With My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic #1 and Masks #1 charting high too, it’s a minor miracle that Wonder Woman only fell 10 spots.  Plus all the Bat-hullabaloo too!!  Wonder Woman’s lucky not to be down 20 spots.

Among DC books, Wonder Woman is in the 22nd spot again.  Some of the Bat-books got astronomical gains from the crossover (Suicide Squad was up 130%!!) while the Green Lantern books are higher than usual with their own crossover.  Wonder Woman is just out of the loop.  Everything else is an event, be it a new book or a crossover, and Wonder Woman is just trucking along without drawing a lot of attention to itself.

Falling 3.1% isn’t terrible, but it’s slightly more than standard attrition.  I’m a little bit concerned that all of this new stuff is capturing people’s attention and, to stay on budget, they’re cutting other books, including Wonder Woman.  Over ten new series debuted VERY well this month, and that could mean that other books lose a few readers.  Again, dropping 3.1% isn’t anything huge.  It’s just a little higher than you’d like to see so far into a series.  At a certain point, you want things to level out with a solid base audience, and we’re just not there yet.

This isn’t so great because the book is starting to near its historical average, and currently sits only 16.6% better than that number.  Now, the historical average is nothing anyone else is concerned about.  DC’s not looking at the sales numbers and fixing to ax the book if it drops below 35,000 or anything.  It’s just a) nice to have the book doing well, and b) Wonder Woman selling about average limits the opportunity for more Wonder Woman.  Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern all have multiple books, but Wonder Woman’s had only one for quite a while.  A book that’s selling in its average range is likely not going to inspire anyone to expand the brand.  It’ll just keep trucking along and hopefully not sell so low that it gets rebooted again.

So it wasn’t the best month for Wonder Woman, but nor was it especially bad and by all rights it should have been worse.  The new series and crossovers are taking all the attention and dominating the charts, and Wonder Woman being down slightly is about the best you can hope for in this kind of chaotic situation.

Prediction For Next Month: I was yet again too optimistic last time, and over-estimated by more than 600 issues.  For December, I wouldn’t be surprised if the book dropped another 3% for sales of about 41,120.  Check back next month to see how I did!!


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39 Responses to “Wonder Woman Sales: #14 Down 10 Spots And 3%, Should Really Tie Into “Death Of The Family” If It Wants To Sell Well”

  1. caprice2010 Says:

    I would like the issue, if there was no incest in this storyline by Brian. Zeus cannot be Wonder Woman’s father. He is her great grandfather. Ares the god of war is Wonder Woman’s grandfather. Ares is the father of Queen Hippolyte accordingly to Greek Mythology. Zeus wanting his own daughter’s virginity is incest and cruel. DC comics had better fixed this. Or parents will stop buying Wonder Woman comics and Wonder Woman dolls for their teenage girls.

    • Tim Hanley Says:

      Caprice, you seem super upset about this incest thing, but we don’t know who Hera’s father is… Greek mythology and DC continuity aren’t necessarily the same thing. The Amazons didn’t escape to a magical island in Greek mythology either. You’re conflating two different narratives. If DC flat out said that Ares is Hippolyte’s father than you’d have a point, but until then I think you’re needlessly upset.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        Dc comics have stated this Ares is the father of Queen Hippolyta. Greek Mythology saids Ares is the father of Queen Hippolyta. I guess you believe Incest is alright behavior. I don’t.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        Zeus and Queen Hippolyta had what affair, a fight then he demands Diana her virginity. I would say Incest and rape. It is a crime and wrong to teach this to young girls who read Wonder Woman.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        Zeus is a God right, he does not know Diana is his own daughter and wants her virginity. This is still wrong!!! EVIL!!! Parents will STOP buying Wonder Woman dolls, coloring books, lunch boxes, paper dolls etc for their daughters.

      • caprice2010 Says:


        In Greek mythology, Hippolyta, Hippoliyte, or Hippolyte (Ἱππολύτη) was the Amazonian queen who possessed a magical girdle she was given by her father Ares, the god of war. The girdle was a waist belt that signified her authority as queen of the Amazons. She figures prominently in the myths of both Heracles and Theseus. As such, the stories about her are varied enough that they may actually be about a few different characters.

        If Dc comics wanted Queen Hippolyta to have romance and have a daughter than it should have been Hercules or Theseus.She had a son stated so by both Roman and Greek mythology Hippolytus.

      • caprice2010 Says:


        Queen Hippolyta’s father is Ares, grandfather is Zeus.


        This scene opens in Theseus’ palace in Athens. It is four days before his wedding to Hippolyta, the former queen of the Amazons, and Theseus is impatient with how slowly time is moving. Hippolyta assures him that the wedding day will soon arrive.

        Love is the primary concern of the play, which begins as Theseus and Hippolyta lament the four long days of waiting before their marriage.

        In this play, which celebrates love, magic, and sexuality, the choice of a single life is, perhaps, worse than death.

    • caprice2010 Says:


      Hippolyta is the daughter of the Greek god of war Ares and Otrera. She and her sister Amazons would help create war, stealing the female children in the process in order to make their armies grow. The group protected the cow-goddess Io as a favor to her grandfather Zeus.

      • Tim Hanley Says:

        DC Comics hasn’t stated that Ares is Hippolyta’s father at all. All of the examples you’ve provided are either mythological, from MARVEL’s version of Hippolyta, or from a Midsummer Night’s Dream. Before the New 52 relaunch, Hippolyta had NO father… she was created from the soul of a murdered woman by the Olympian goddesses. You can read that in George Perez’s Wonder Woman #1. In current continuity, Wonder Woman #0 had Ares as a main character for the whole issue and there was no mention made of him being Hippolyta’s father. It’s a line of mythology that the DC universe diverges from, as it does in various other ways. Incest is of course terrible, but that’s not what’s happened in Wonder Woman.

  2. Your Senior Drill Instructor Says:

    It seems like just about every book that’s not part of a crossover event is declining in sales. But wow, where would DC be without Batman?

    • Tim Hanley Says:

      Yeah, the industry is being kept afloat by events, and it’s actually doing relatively decent lately, but I worry that at some point this event bubble will burst. At the end of the day, you’ve got to be putting out quality product across the board, and if the mindset becomes event first instead of quality first then the market will eventually suffer.

  3. Your Senior Drill Instructor Says:

    In terms of DC’s sales, Batman has consistently proven to be the wind beneath their wings. I mean, goddamn, every book that’s tying in to DOTF is gaining 20,000+ copies! As you mentioned, the Green Lantern books are selling a little higher than usual as a result of their event, but no substantial gains. And the poor Superman Family event has been a laughing stock. It’ll be interesting to see how “Throne of Atlantis” does. I suspect that JL and Aquaman will get an increase in sales, but I’m not sure how much of an increase, considering that many readers have grown disillusioned with Geoff Johns.

    BTW, Tim, you know that putting out quality products is no longer a top priority of the comic book industry. Increasing the next quarter’s profits is all they really care about, and if a few good comics happen to slip through the cracks, we should count ourselves lucky. 🙂

    • Tim Hanley Says:

      DOTF is epic in terms of a sales boost. Suicide Squad’s success alone is mind boggling. And you’re right about the Superman books… it seems that events don’t always work. You have to make it mildly interesting at least. I think JL and Aquaman will get slight increases in sales, but I doubt it’ll be at DOTF levels.

      I know quality books aren’t their top priority, but I have to hope that someone somewhere in DC is saying “hey, make sure the books don’t totally suck!!” 🙂

      • Your Senior Drill Instructor Says:

        Did you know that Batman has outsold JL for the past eight months? And here’s the kicker: Scott Snyder was able to accomplish this without any grandiose publicity stunts or glitzy variant covers. This has got to be bruising Johns’ ego.

        Looking at the current state of affairs at DC, I seriously doubt that there are many people (if any) who care about whether or not there books suck. Its all about manipulating retailers into ordering more copies than they’re actually going to sell. Pretty much the 90s all over again.

  4. caprice2010 Says:

    George Perez stated Ares is the Father of Queen Hippolyta. Todays writers of Dc Comics have not explained who her father is…until they do…it is still incest. Zeus is her grandfather unless stated different.

    • Tim Hanley Says:

      Where did he state that? Because his comics say otherwise, and they’re the official word. How is it incest if Hippolyta’s father in unknown? It’s not incest until they say Ares is her dad. As for Hippolyta being raped by Zeus, it was clearly consensual in the comic. And when does he demand her virginity? Also, I really don’t see what a Shakespeare play has to do with any of this. Again, I feel like you’re inventing an offense that just isn’t there.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        I have read bio Queen Hippolyta from Dc Comics this was before this story written. Zeus demanded Diana’s virginity and for her to be a goddess.

        Shakespeare play reveals Queen Hippolyta and Theseus were married nothing more.

      • Tim Hanley Says:

        If it was from before the story was written, the new story makes that moot. Same with Zeus wanting Diana’s virginity… he wasn’t her father then. You’re talking about three different timelines, essentially: 1) a pre-Crisis timeline where Ares is (supposedly) Hippolyta’s father, 2) a post-Crisis timeline where Ares is NOT her father and Zeus tries to have sex with Diana, and 3) a New 52 timeline where Hippolyta’s father is unspecified, Zeus is Diana’s father, and Zeus trying to have sex with Diana didn’t happen. You are conflating three different things into one, inaccurately and fallaciously. Anyway, I’ve said all I’m going to say about this… you seem very keen on sticking with your non-factual interpretation 🙂

      • caprice2010 Says:


        Zeus is a fictional deity in the DC Comics universe, an interpretation of Zeus from Greek mythology. His appearances are most significant in stories of Wonder Woman (Princess Diana). With the 2011 relaunch of DC Comics dubbed The New 52, Zeus has received a prominent role in the Wonder Woman mythos, as he is now the biological father of Wonder Woman through Hippolyta.

        Zeus becomes interested in Diana and wants her virginity, offering to make her a goddess. Diana becomes the first woman ever to refuse his advances while professing love for him as god and father. As punishment, Zeus demands that Diana undertake the Challenge of the Gods, on which she defeats the evils that have been trapped under Paradise Island, including a Hecatonshire and the Lernean Hydra. She frees Heracles, who had been turned to stone and was supporting the Island.

        I would call incest from Zeus to want and desire his own daughter Diana….

      • caprice2010 Says:

        Tim please pay attention 52 states Zeus is her biological father. He waits until she is 16 to 18 years old demands her virginity. He is a god right? then he should know she is his daughter. This is still incest.It is a crime. No movie or tv will makes this wonder woman or make dolls or coloring books for girls and teenage girls under sixteen.

      • Tim Hanley Says:

        I am paying attention. The virginity demanding is PRE-New 52 and NOT part of continuity anymore. When that was written, Diana was NOT his daughter. She is NOW, but that event is NO LONGER in continuity. The situation with the gods is completely different in the New 52, and all of the old Perez era stuff is out the window. Anyway, I’m really done this time 🙂

      • caprice2010 Says:

        It was not pre new 52. You need to read the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus_(DC_Comics)

        This is new 52. Zeus demand Diana’s virginity, she said I love you as a god and my father. She turns him down. sorry Tim this is incest and No tv network and motion picture will make wonder woman because of this storyline.

      • Tim Hanley Says:

        This is Wikipedia and is, as it often is, incorrect. If you can find me a PANEL from a comic book where this happens and “she said I love you as a god and my father”, I’ll apologize profusely. But I’m very very very sure that such a panel does not exist.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        Tim I do not care, Please show me the comic book page the relationship between Queen Hippolyta and Zeus. It is till rape not act of love and kindness. Wikipedia still states up front Zeus her father demands his own daughter Diana virginity. INCEST

        Poor Diana knowing her great grandfather is her father-if only Dc would pay attention to Greek mythology and stay true to it. It never be made to movie or tv series.

      • Tim Hanley Says:

        You clearly don’t care. In New 52 Wonder Woman #3, page 9 and 11, their sex is CLEARLY consensual, but again you obviously don’t care about what’s actually happening in the comics if you’re going to rely on Wikipedia and not the comics themselves. There’s really no point in talking about this anymore.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        give me the link….Queen Hippolyta and Zeus were willingly but why would Zeus want his own Daughter Diana’s virginity. this is incest.

      • Tim Hanley Says:

        Here’s page 9:

        and page 11:

        For the last time: Diana wasn’t his daughter when that happened… that event was from 1987 in a different continuity. In current continuity, starting in 2011, Zeus wanting her virginity never happened. Here’s when it did happen, in 1987’s Wonder Woman #10 with a Zeus who is completely different from the Zeus in the previous links:

        See? Different people, different timelines.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        1987 Zeus and Diana was a test what evil men could do to her.

        Wonder Woman 52 Wikipedia Zeus the father of Diana demands her virginity. Incest. Hippolyta’s father is Ares.Ares is the son Zeus and Hera. Incest.

      • Tim Hanley Says:

        I’ve wasted far too much time on this. I’ve already told you Wikipedia is wrong. That NEVER happened in the New 52. Go and be wrong.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        Tim, you have learn that incest will never be made into a Wonder Woman Tv series and motion picture.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        52 Wonder Woman-Zeus demands Diana’s virginity and punished her for saying NO and refused his vain promise to being his bride and Queen of the goddesses and gods. I would call this act of cruel father who is in the act of incest.

  5. caprice2010 Says:

    Queen Hippolyta was raped by Zeus anyway. There was no sign of love toward her own pregnancy and to demand Diana’s virginity when she had become what sixteen or adult age. This Was not done in Ancient Greece. Fathers and grandfathers who had sex willingly or not with their daughter or granddaughters was buried alive and sent to Hades and Pluto, Greek and Roman god of hell.

    • caprice2010 Says:

      The daughter or granddaughters were removed from their father or grandfather’s home, and placed under the care of the goddess Diana and Artemis temple to be raised…after their father or grandfather is buried alive for incest relationship.

  6. caprice2010 Says:

    Theseus and Queen Hippolyta were married in William Shakespeare’s A Midsummer’s Dream. It does not refer to Ares as her father. They had a romantic relationship.


    A Midsummer Night’s Dream is a play by William Shakespeare. Believed to have been written between 1590 and 1596, it portrays the events surrounding the marriage of the Duke of Athens, Theseus, and the Queen of the Amazons, Hippolyta

    Theseus offers her another choice: lifelong chastity while worshiping the goddess Diana as a nun.

    Hippolyta and Theseus, happily married and they had a son Hippolytus.

    • caprice2010 Says:

      THESEUS Now, fair Hippolyta, our nuptial hour
      Draws on apace; four happy days bring in
      Another moon: but, O, methinks, how slow
      This old moon wanes! she lingers my desires,
      Like to a step-dame or a dowager
      Long withering out a young man revenue.
      HIPPOLYTA Four days will quickly steep themselves in night;
      Four nights will quickly dream away the time;
      And then the moon, like to a silver bow
      New-bent in heaven, shall behold the night 10
      Of our solemnities.

      • caprice2010 Says:

        Hippolyta, I woo’d thee with my sword,
        And won thy love, doing thee injuries;
        But I will wed thee in another key,
        With pomp, with triumph and with revelling

  7. Ant Says:

    Wonder Woman #14 is down about 20% from the previous runs #14 in November 2007. I find it interesting to compare from reboot to reboot as well as issue to issue.

    2007 August through November
    Issue #12 48th place 50,876 issues sold
    Issue # Annual 40th 48,380
    Issue #13 44th 48,334
    Issue #14 35th 53,071

    2012 August through November
    Issue #12 35th place 44,584 issues sold (down 14% from 2007)
    Issue #0 30th 49,778 (up 2% –the only Azz issue resembling classic WW)
    Issue #13 44th 43,731 (down 10%)
    Issue #14 54th 42,384 (down 20%)

    • Tim Hanley Says:

      I see what you’re getting at, and you’ve got a point. However, the market was a lot better in 2007 AND Wonder Woman #14 was Gail Simone’s first issue so it got a sales bump. If you compare the #13s, they were in the same spot on the charts (44th) but the 2007 issue sold more copies. So I’d say it’s doing about the same as it was 5 years ago, it’s just that the market was stronger then.

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